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Sep 27, 2007

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Christian

Good Day :) God is Love, May you experience God's Love this Day, may we really learn to Praise him in all things :) Lets Share God's Love today :) You are Loved!

scott gray

here's my understanding of grace--

a person who is drowning, or floundering, is lifted up through the 'grace' action of another to a place where there is relief, even if only temporary, of the drowning or floundering. one gets a chance to rest, have access to new resources, discern, problem-solve, and decision-make, in order to avoid the quagmire, or to reengage the quagmire from a new position or understanding. at its very best, the 'grace-lift' enables one to do the same 'grace-lifting' for others.

while such grace may come from 'nobless oblige,' it's not necessary to 'lift' from a higher hierarchical position. such 'grace-lifts' may come from a peer, or a subordinate, or a good samaritan.

by talking about repayment, one imples that it either can be, or can't be; and then whether it is, or isn't repaid. this 'quid pro quo' approach places limits on grace that my original metaphor need not have.

peace--

scott

Michael W. Kruse

Thanks Scott. I think Paul clearly modifies the notion of Grace. It becomes refocused as the outpouring of other-centered love instead of a startegy to achieve higher status. I agree that grace need not comer from a higher hierarchical position nor must it be given in pursuit of one. Nevertheless, Paul's terminology comes straight from the common Greco-Roman custom.

scott gray

mwk--

so paul changed/modified the understanding of the schema 'grace' for his readers/hearers from something they were familiar with, to a 'bigger picture.' this expansion of a schema is, in my opinion, the very core of enlightenment, and rich conversion. it's what each of us tries to do in our writings and in our best conversations, yes?

what other schemata do you think paul moved in his writing from something familiar to the reader/hearer (other greco roman understandings), to a larger picture?

Michael W. Kruse

Scott, I hadn't really thought about cataloging Paul's teaching in that way so I'd have to think on that a bit.

Certainly this whole series about fictive family is one instance. Caesar attempted portray himself as the son of God who brought peace to the world. He held himself up as the paterfamilias of the Empire with Empire as his family. The imagery of the NT is of God as paterfamilias with Jesus as the son of God who becomes our brother so that we may become co-regents with him as siblings in God’s family.

scott gray

mwk--

thanks.
just started reading your household series. great stuff--thanks for that, too.

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